Matthew525011 on Jun 5, 2018 wrote:

Hey OEJ,
In a pvp match today versus a privy, I encountered an interesting interaction between hidden and firstmate's boon. When a hidden privateer pirate casts firstmate's boon on one of their units, that unit receives 2x the weapon power buff than normal and the pirate receives 2x the weapon power reduce than normal. I talked to a few of my other pvp active friends, and they said that they remembered a KI official (Ratbeard iirc) said a few years ago that this interaction was unintentional and that KI fixed or planned to fix it soon. Is KI's stance on this interaction still that it is not supposed to be in game, or is this interaction an intended feature? (Personally I believe that it shouldn't be a thing, since a forted and/or absorbed Nausica, Goro, or other unit with good movement, can all but one round at least one unit, probably 2, with decent crit chains. This is especially possible if the victim does not run purge)

Thanks for all you do

Are you saying that this is a bug because while the privateer is Hidden, the unit the privy buffs is not and shouldn't receive the x2 damage that's usually for the hidden player? Therefore the Privy in Hide also should not experience a x2 reduction to damage while using FMB from a Hide?
Wow, that sounds really complicated.

Matthew525011 on Jun 5, 2018 wrote:

Hey OEJ,
In a pvp match today versus a privy, I encountered an interesting interaction between hidden and firstmate's boon. When a hidden privateer pirate casts firstmate's boon on one of their units, that unit receives 2x the weapon power buff than normal and the pirate receives 2x the weapon power reduce than normal. I talked to a few of my other pvp active friends, and they said that they remembered a KI official (Ratbeard iirc) said a few years ago that this interaction was unintentional and that KI fixed or planned to fix it soon. Is KI's stance on this interaction still that it is not supposed to be in game, or is this interaction an intended feature? (Personally I believe that it shouldn't be a thing, since a forted and/or absorbed Nausica, Goro, or other unit with good movement, can all but one round at least one unit, probably 2, with decent crit chains. This is especially possible if the victim does not run purge)

Thanks for all you do

I believe Privateer's should be able to double the damage with firstmate's boon. If you know it is coming you should be able to counter it.

RRRRZZZZ419 on Jun 6, 2018 wrote:

While I agree it might should remove the hide, I think it should have the hide's weapon power for 3 turns. If you are a Swashbuckler just do Black Fog, if you are a Buccaneer just reduce damage, if you are are a Witchdoctor just Shadow Step away, if you are a Musketeer just place traps around them. Problem solved.

Except that those boosted up companions will be attacking that round, so unless you've done those actions in the previous round; Nausica ( with centaur's charge ) or Goro ( with a vicious charge ) will be in your face and take out you or one companion.
Also, that's not how any Hide is supposed to work, hide only confers that x2 damage to the one that's hidden, not to a boosted companion.
Just because there's a work-around doesn't mean this bug shouldn't be fixed.

RRRRZZZZ419 on Jun 7, 2018 wrote:

Under that logic shouldn't black fog only hide a Swashbuckler's companions only increasing the weapon power of the Swashbuckler themselves? If they cut back Firstmate's Boon I want Black Fog to be given the same treatment, it is only fair.

No. There is absolutely no connection between a hidden privateer being able to give a unit a 400-500 weapon power buff (higher than what black fog would give that same unit, mind you) for 3 rounds of continuous chaining and a buckler being able to give each of their companions 1 hit's worth of a 300 weapon power increase. If you can't see that maybe, just maybe, being able to do 900 damage or more on every single hit for 3 rounds is just a tad overpowered, there's a problem. Sure, you can or hide yourself/units, but pvp is all about the resource war. The privateer is spending 2-3 resources (boon, a fort/absorb on the unit, and a 3 round hide) to take out 1 unit on the initial charge, as well as either forcing an extreme amount of resource waste from their opponent (forcing them to use hides, heals, forts, traps, purge, etc. very early in the match, which gives them a possibly insurmountable advantage later on) or being able to kill the remainder of their opponent's units. And there's no running away from a Nausica, the ideal and most likely target of this boon. Barricading isn't an option either, as you'll put yourself in a situation to be bomb spammed and than Blast of Discorded. Outside of the hidden interaction, I'm willing to keep Boon as it is. I think it's a little "pushed" in terms of power, but it's somewhat acceptable. Once we get into the hidden interaction though, especially with a high haste unit with a 2x move like Nausica, any semblance of balance goes out the window. Privy is supposed to be a slow, grindy class. They're not designed to have the ridiculous burst damage that this interaction affords them.

RRRRZZZZ419 on Jun 7, 2018 wrote:

Under that logic shouldn't black fog only hide a Swashbuckler's companions only increasing the weapon power of the Swashbuckler themselves? If they cut back Firstmate's Boon I want Black Fog to be given the same treatment, it is only fair.

Matthew isn't calling for a nerf to FMB, but asking to fix a bug that's affecting FMB while the Privy is hidden.

Matthew525011 on Jun 7, 2018 wrote:

No. There is absolutely no connection between a hidden privateer being able to give a unit a 400-500 weapon power buff (higher than what black fog would give that same unit, mind you) for 3 rounds of continuous chaining and a buckler being able to give each of their companions 1 hit's worth of a 300 weapon power increase. If you can't see that maybe, just maybe, being able to do 900 damage or more on every single hit for 3 rounds is just a tad overpowered, there's a problem. Sure, you can or hide yourself/units, but pvp is all about the resource war. The privateer is spending 2-3 resources (boon, a fort/absorb on the unit, and a 3 round hide) to take out 1 unit on the initial charge, as well as either forcing an extreme amount of resource waste from their opponent (forcing them to use hides, heals, forts, traps, purge, etc. very early in the match, which gives them a possibly insurmountable advantage later on) or being able to kill the remainder of their opponent's units. And there's no running away from a Nausica, the ideal and most likely target of this boon. Barricading isn't an option either, as you'll put yourself in a situation to be bomb spammed and than Blast of Discorded. Outside of the hidden interaction, I'm willing to keep Boon as it is. I think it's a little "pushed" in terms of power, but it's somewhat acceptable. Once we get into the hidden interaction though, especially with a high haste unit with a 2x move like Nausica, any semblance of balance goes out the window. Privy is supposed to be a slow, grindy class. They're not designed to have the ridiculous burst damage that this interaction affords them.

Well they at least need to allow Firstmate's Boon to have the extra damage 1 turn. Privateer still has its disadvantages even with Firstmate's Boon the way it is now, for example Privateer's do not get any guaranteed critical hits without an item that grants one.

anecorbie on Jun 8, 2018 wrote:

I don't see how you can state that Privateers are at a disadvantage in PVP, when they are one of the best classes currently.
No class in the game gets a "guaranteed" critical.

This is an obvious bug interacting with a hide, it needs to be corrected.

I didn't say "Privateer's are at a disadvantage" I stated "Privateer has its disadvantages". I believe all classes have pros and cons to them.

Matthew525011 on Jun 9, 2018 wrote:

True, and right now, privateer has the fewest disadvantages of any class right now except for arguably buck. Fixing this interaction isn't going to change that, mostly since only a small handful of people actually frequently use hidden boons.

I personally use hidden boons on my Privateer but my opponent has always countered and if they haven't the hidden boon typically only takes out no more than 1 enemy.