stormy quentin ver... on Sep 24, 2015 wrote:

I used the moo robe during a PVP match and got zero warriors. Thats right, zero. Is that a bug?

Lol, maybe they went a little overboard with the nerf... and you're a witch :/

Or maybe the RNG range is too big (including zero which would be extreme bad luck?)

I think summons numbers should be based on class, Witch should have like a minimum of 3, privy maybe a tad less, and others even less.

I may (*may*) have a chance to goose the WILL portion of the RNG up a bit in an upcoming patch. I'm away from work this week, so it depends on the timing.

Quentin, buy yourself a lottery ticket today. Maybe it will balance out!

Nope. Now since the Warriors have a 25% chance to come, that's just some bad luck there.

Eric Stormbringer on Sep 24, 2015 wrote:

Instead of bumping the will counter why not set hard limits? Here is what I mean:

If you have between 0-49 will the moo robes will summon 0-3 warriors guaranteed.

If you have 50-69 will the moo robes will summon 4-6 warriors guaranteed.

If you have 70-100 will the moo robes will summon 7-9 warriors guaranteed.

This will limit the rng factor while also making the robe more consistent for the will based classes-a win win.

That's what I've been suggesting above.

Though I think 7-9 for 70-100 will is a bit much. Witches/Privy easily reach 100 will, which means the "nerf" ends up useless.

Eric Stormbringer on Sep 24, 2015 wrote:

Instead of bumping the will counter why not set hard limits? Here is what I mean:

If you have between 0-49 will the moo robes will summon 0-3 warriors guaranteed.

If you have 50-69 will the moo robes will summon 4-6 warriors guaranteed.

If you have 70-100 will the moo robes will summon 7-9 warriors guaranteed.

This will limit the rng factor while also making the robe more consistent for the will based classes-a win win.

Something similar was my suggestion in one of the earlier threads on how to improve WD in PvP.

That is an awesome idea.

Sincerely.
Stubborn Duncan Freeman

Duncan StormThief on Sep 30, 2015 wrote:

Actually if you read the update notes carefully, it is most likely that there will be 0 terror cottas then any other number.

"Each Warrior has only a 25% chance to be summoned when called. This base chance increases as the caster's Will increases."

According to this EACH warrior has 75% chance to not appear. Which is really high chances for you to get 0 Terrors.

How Will does effect this percentage is not known, but it could be as low as 5% per 100 will for each Terror Cotta. This is just my guess.

Sincerely,
Stubborn Duncan Freeman

Duncan, I read the notes carefully. To get zero warriors, the chances are 0.75 to the 9th power. That is just under 8%. But what I meant about it being bugged was that the will boost seems to be doing nothing, but who knows, maybe its just 1% lol

stormy quentin ver... on Sep 30, 2015 wrote:

Duncan, I read the notes carefully. To get zero warriors, the chances are 0.75 to the 9th power. That is just under 8%. But what I meant about it being bugged was that the will boost seems to be doing nothing, but who knows, maybe its just 1% lol

It was not just 1%-- but it was a small increase based on your total WILL. The bonus allotment had to account for some edge cases, so prior to the tweak, the WILL bonus was small, and the max chance was capped. Both the bonus and the cap are increased with the next patch.

Now, I think it's likely that this upcoming uptweak on the Robe will just cause a flood of the old complaints-- but that is preferable to leaving WDs in the dust for another season. This is a case of "the devil you know."

More sweeping changes to the WD class (and any class, really) can't be rushed through on a schedule just to meet the demands of a particular PvP season. That's not to say that we are unresponsive to balance issues-- just that some things can be tweaked quickly, or even added quickly, and some things will take more time. Some things work within the existing tech framework, and some things require new tech. And sometimes that new tech breaks old things that were working just fine! (We suffered a few of those in this last update.)

There are lots of things we'd like to add to almost every class, but not on a rush schedule.