This evening, a bunch of fellow wizards and pirates and I were discussing the latest update in Wizard101. For those that don't know, the Maestro, an evil, time-tampering foe, decides to choose six critical points in the Spiral's history and try to change them for his benefit. One of the times he picks is before the beginning of the Pirate101 story. He captures Boochbeard and Gandry and hands them over to Deacon, who is not so trusting that [spoiler] the pirate Boochbeard and Gandry will rescue will one day defeat the Armada. Not wanting to take any chances, he keeps them anyway. However, our wizards appear and battle clockwork marines, including one elite marine, before suggesting that Boochbeard and Gandry go and save our pirate.

The whole Wizard vs. Pirate thing is pretty big. It's all in fun, of course, but we pose legitimate questions and ideas. The newest thing is that if it weren't for our wizards, our pirate would have never been rescued by Boochbeard and Gandry.

One theory is that they WOULD have, but the Maestro changed the past, so in our efforts to fix it, we bypassed that reality and instead have a new one (the same one we were in before), but we changed HOW we got there. Therefore, our wizards are indeed now responsible for our pirate journey (though not before the Maestro).

Another theory is that the Maestro's events and changes led to an alternate reality that leaves our wizards actually separated from our pirates, meaning they are NOT responsible for the rescue of our pirates.

"King Artorious" (a.k.a. Jesse Scoble) has been eyeing our conversation and supported the idea of a thread here. Perhaps Blind Mew will provide a little more insight as to whether this type of thing would even be considered, and whether or not the events in Wizard actually happened.

Let what is "real" be defined as what is contained within our current reality, and not an alternate reality. Should our pirates and wizards ever interact in the future, we will know that they are currently in the same reality, and thus proving the events to be real and our wizards to be responsible for the pirate rescue. But until then, can anyone provide insight on this? Is the past in which Boochbeard and Gandry discovered us by other means no more with our wizard having now had to bypass the Maestro's changes to time?

This is an intriguing proposition, my highest level wizard is only level 49. I noticed in the Marleybone BOX quest, that all of the bosses resembled the bosses we fight in P101 ( including one who looks like the Underdog )!
We have had hints in the P101 storyline that we are running currently with W101 events.
Maybe the Professor should pay Skull Island a visit?
P.S. I love the Dr. Who reference, he even is dressed like my favorite Dr.

This is a classic time paradox. I tend to favor the Professor's explanation of situations like this. Time is in flux.Things change in the future or the past and shift the entirety of the time stream on to a different path. What may or may not have happened before becomes simply a what if, irrelevant to reality. Our wizards did influence our pirates lives. That is what happened in this version of time.
Now, because our wizard has traveled in the B.O.X., they will probably remember some alternate form of reality, even if only a small thing changed. Our pirate, however, will only know what happened. That is, they will only remember that they were rescued by Boochbeard and Gandry and whatever might have happened is not part of their life.

SHHHH I haven't had time to do more than the Wizard City one! Oh well, spoilers are great fun, especially when you get to be the one doing the spoiling! My problem right now is that I don't have a membership to Wizard101-- The only two quests I'm able to do are the Wizard City and Marleybone ones.

Perhaps it is all just wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff.

Or perhaps this theory is indeed correct, but thinking about that would give me a headache. All this alternate reality and false reality and multiple reality stuff, yuck.

Which world does the Professor give this quest in? If it's past Marleybone, I won't be able to complete it, or even start it for that matter.

EXTERMINATE!!!

How did that sneak in here...?

I personally believe that everything that happens cannot be changed and the path if altered in anyway would always correct itself as that is what is suppose to happen in the first place.
For example, if El Toro was destined to eat a yum cake (That sounds yummy :O ) tomorrow then after any and all decisions he will eat the yum cake.

Timetraveling puts you in the point that your present (as in you, not the version of you that exists in that timeline if one does) at a point it was destined to be at. So the B.O.X.E.S. event actually did in fact save our or someone else's pirate which already happened timewise.

Here is the way I see it.

There is no "real" timeline, just alternate ones. When the Maestro went back and messed with the events of the past, a new timeline branched off from the old one. As a result, this creates a paradox that is really up to interpretation.

My pirate was created well before the BOXES event was released, so I envision my pirate as living in the original timeline. Also the Maestro's goal was to ALTER the past, which means that it happened differently originally. When he is stopped the new alternate timeline continues, but the original one still exists.

(continued)

In the alternate ending of the 12 Monkeys script that was floating around in my head, I would have written it so that Cole himself was the source of the plague - he picked it up at the beginning of the movie, infected everyone in the refuge with it, and then spread it to the past world at precisely the point the future folks sent him to. And that, my friends, is why you don't do time travel. Just don't.

Digression over. I love closed loops that create something out of nothing, but I also dig the notion of changing the future - I love the Terminator films (at least, the 2 good ones) too much to dismiss mutable time. So, the Maestro's intervention either made the PC the crucial figure in defeating the Armada, or it would have happened anyway, just differently. Does it matter? I like both options.

Now, taking the question from a different angle: "whether or not this type of thing would be even considered"...

The notion that our entire game spun off of some random occurrence in Wizard101 is pretty radical, but by no means would I dismiss it out of hand. Somebody on a forum (might have been KI Wizard, might have been Central) posted something to the effect of "I can't believe Blind Mew would be happy with the idea that his whole story happened because of something Wizards did."

Actually the idea fills me with glee. I helped plot that section out, and polished the dialogue. The notion of whether or not Wizard101 is the chicken to Pirate101's egg was fun, but more fun by far was letting Boochbeard's cluelessness run rampant again. Without Gandry, the Spiral may well have been lost. That makes me smile.

Remember: it's not the answer, friends, it's the discussion that matters. So speculate away.

Swordroll on Oct 8, 2014 wrote:

This evening, a bunch of fellow wizards and pirates and I were discussing the latest update in Wizard101. For those that don't know, the Maestro, an evil, time-tampering foe, decides to choose six critical points in the Spiral's history and try to change them for his benefit. One of the times he picks is before the beginning of the Pirate101 story. He captures Boochbeard and Gandry and hands them over to Deacon, who is not so trusting that [spoiler] the pirate Boochbeard and Gandry will rescue will one day defeat the Armada. Not wanting to take any chances, he keeps them anyway. However, our wizards appear and battle clockwork marines, including one elite marine, before suggesting that Boochbeard and Gandry go and save our pirate.

The whole Wizard vs. Pirate thing is pretty big. It's all in fun, of course, but we pose legitimate questions and ideas. The newest thing is that if it weren't for our wizards, our pirate would have never been rescued by Boochbeard and Gandry.

One theory is that they WOULD have, but the Maestro changed the past, so in our efforts to fix it, we bypassed that reality and instead have a new one (the same one we were in before), but we changed HOW we got there. Therefore, our wizards are indeed now responsible for our pirate journey (though not before the Maestro).

Another theory is that the Maestro's events and changes led to an alternate reality that leaves our wizards actually separated from our pirates, meaning they are NOT responsible for the rescue of our pirates.

"King Artorious" (a.k.a. Jesse Scoble) has been eyeing our conversation and supported the idea of a thread here. Perhaps Blind Mew will provide a little more insight as to whether this type of thing would even be considered, and whether or not the events in Wizard actually happened.

Let what is "real" be defined as what is contained within our current reality, and not an alternate reality. Should our pirates and wizards ever interact in the future, we will know that they are currently in the same reality, and thus proving the events to be real and our wizards to be responsible for the pirate rescue. But until then, can anyone provide insight on this? Is the past in which Boochbeard and Gandry discovered us by other means no more with our wizard having now had to bypass the Maestro's changes to time?

Hi there Swordroll! Thanks for stopping by this slice of the internet! I personally think that this is a interesting topic. My question is, how did the Armada learn magic?

Eric Stormbringer on Oct 13, 2014 wrote:

I do have a question for Blind Mew that is tangentially related to the storyline. How is it that Pirates such as Buster Crab and Armada were able to use wizard magic in combat? Did the maestro enhance their abilities temporarily?

I think I may answer that one for him, because he is very usually busy and all.

In Wizard101, enemies use various magical spell cards to perform all sorts of magic in duels, such as creature summons to attack for them, increase their spells' powers, damage their opponents with traps, & all kinds of different spells to weaken them, make their spells fizzle, etc. The enemies seen in Pirate101 appear there in the Five B.O.X.E.S. Event, such as Buster Crab, haven't seen Wizards & use the fitting choice of spells in duels much often, mainly because they were so busy with so many piratical adventures, they often forget to bring spell cards & decks to duel the Wizards on occasions, should they meet each other from time to time, if they're not busy with their pirating days, that is. Plus, most Pirates really prefer to not get involved in the Wizards' affairs through several reasons, & the interaction of Wizards & Pirates rarely come often, for they have their own matters they tend to by themselves, though this doesn't stop them from mentioning them.

I really liked that event very much because it draws much references from Pirate101, especially the voices who did Deacon, Boochbeard, Mr. Gandry, & Buster Crab reprised their roles there!

The Maestro was in Skull Island to stop Wizards from creating the events that led up to the Pirates' adventures by keeping Boochbeard and Gandry out of their way and have the Armada confine them forever. Fortunately, the Wizards thwarted the Maestro's ploy by rescuing them, though it is clear the Clockworks would go on to capture orphaned Pirates so their plans won't be disrupted by them, thanks to taking the Maestro's advice to Deacon & the rest of the Clockworks, even Kane himself. After the rescue, Boochbeard and Gandry went on to free the Pirates so they can go on to have amazing adventures & defeat the Armada & much more, leading up to the beginning of Pirate101's events.

Maybe in time, we may have an Event in Pirate101 like Wizard101 does, with much references to Wizard101, especially the characters that appear in that game, once it is ready to support Events, someday. & I don't mean holiday events.

Yes, Esperanza, upon seeing Swordroll's topic and having been able to play that section in the BOXES event, I concur. It does indeed seem that the Maestro gave Boochbeard and Gandry the idea of searching for the orphaned young person that would take down the Armada. Meddling in time causing the very thing he doesn't want to happen, to happen! And I say, it serves him right!

But, it was wierd seeing Armada soldiers casting magic. Of course they needed to for the game system, but it felt more natural when the Marines would do their usual attack with their halberd in the circle against my wizard. (not that my wizard Isabella was particularly delighted to be clobbered so ) I really enjoyed the BOXES segments I was able to do (it came during a particularly tight schedule of time for me, but it was very clever and beautifully done). Naturally though, since I love Pirate, I enjoyed the Boochbeard and Gandry sequence the most.

Oran from Urz on Nov 13, 2014 wrote:

This thread is verifiable proof there has been an undeniable lack of Blind Mew's Musings lately. Let's not let this disease fester any longer.

I thought Blind Mew's wonderfully long responses were a delightful treat. He took time out of his insanely busy schedule to enlighten us once more. I am grateful for any glance at the light and am more that willing to be patient for when he has time to muse our way. Although when he finally has time to muse again, that will mean we will be busy in the new chapter.

Swordroll on Oct 8, 2014 wrote:

This evening, a bunch of fellow wizards and pirates and I were discussing the latest update in Wizard101. For those that don't know, the Maestro, an evil, time-tampering foe, decides to choose six critical points in the Spiral's history and try to change them for his benefit. One of the times he picks is before the beginning of the Pirate101 story. He captures Boochbeard and Gandry and hands them over to Deacon, who is not so trusting that [spoiler] the pirate Boochbeard and Gandry will rescue will one day defeat the Armada. Not wanting to take any chances, he keeps them anyway. However, our wizards appear and battle clockwork marines, including one elite marine, before suggesting that Boochbeard and Gandry go and save our pirate.

The whole Wizard vs. Pirate thing is pretty big. It's all in fun, of course, but we pose legitimate questions and ideas. The newest thing is that if it weren't for our wizards, our pirate would have never been rescued by Boochbeard and Gandry.

One theory is that they WOULD have, but the Maestro changed the past, so in our efforts to fix it, we bypassed that reality and instead have a new one (the same one we were in before), but we changed HOW we got there. Therefore, our wizards are indeed now responsible for our pirate journey (though not before the Maestro).

Another theory is that the Maestro's events and changes led to an alternate reality that leaves our wizards actually separated from our pirates, meaning they are NOT responsible for the rescue of our pirates.

"King Artorious" (a.k.a. Jesse Scoble) has been eyeing our conversation and supported the idea of a thread here. Perhaps Blind Mew will provide a little more insight as to whether this type of thing would even be considered, and whether or not the events in Wizard actually happened.

Let what is "real" be defined as what is contained within our current reality, and not an alternate reality. Should our pirates and wizards ever interact in the future, we will know that they are currently in the same reality, and thus proving the events to be real and our wizards to be responsible for the pirate rescue. But until then, can anyone provide insight on this? Is the past in which Boochbeard and Gandry discovered us by other means no more with our wizard having now had to bypass the Maestro's changes to time?

this is interesting this stuff just gives you a headache but if i may idk if this help but still this is a very good possibly i do remember making a post that i think that wizard101 is in our past maybe this maestro dude has something to do with it

Come on guys its so simple Boochbeard went to the oracle and they took so many years from him that he can barely remember anything they gave him a question with a question and he said "what" and got on his ship when he noticed Gaundry was not on the boat he was finding out details he could, don't you know all monquistians read minds? Tsk tsk its not always this happens, maybe we too need some remembering potions so our no man left behind thing works.

-Level 65 and Level 65
P.S. Good hunting Pie+rats=Pirates :P