Quentin Atherton on Jun 8, 2013 wrote:

Quentin: Indeed, lets get back on topic
Bernard: Ok, as we all know, Kane's court is based off of chess rankings.
Valona: Lets not forget about Kane, after all, we keep underestimating that clockwork version of Hitler.
Quentin: True, his hate campaign against the pirates does ring a 'Nazi Bell'
All: LOL
Griffin: Then there is that clockwork mistress, I think a good scary name for her would be Duchess, but I think Queen is much more formal.
Alexander: Let's not forget on how she fights. She could be programed with ninja skills for all we know.
Noah: Indeed, and how she can fight in those corsets, I think she will be a marvelous acrobat in that dress. After all, we can't let our guard down around that clockwork mistress.
Quentin: True, then there is Kane, he is probably wearing armor under that military coat.
Valona: He might even be part Battle Angel, and probably the only male Battle Angel in the Armada.

Hey, hey, hey...can we get off of the Hitler/Nazi topic? It makes me uncomfortable.
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Perhaps he isn't a Battle Angel, as they were supposedly made later on. Kane will probably be backed up with a variation of newer fighting machines, though. Sorry I don't have much to say, I woke up about six minutes ago. :)

Viva los piratas!

D.S. Dev

CdeWinter on Jun 14, 2013 wrote:

First, what exactly would be wrong with an allusion to Milady?
Second, I would love to see KI put in an allusion to Milady but not as part of Kane's court. Milady was always primarily for herself, I feel that Kane's court is far more unified in their plans and desires and that a villain such as Milady would actually weaken the Armada.

Um, there should be quote above this referencing a post by Anne stating that the female Armada elite would be too scary as an allusion to Milady.

I apologize for the confusion... I was making a compliment (albeit a back-handed one!) to Milady, Countess deWinter, (of _The Three Musketeers_) one of the few violent female villains in classic literature, and one of the best literary villains overall. I was playfully suggesting that a clockwork Milady would be truly frightening, as it would imply the sneakiest, treacherous, dangerously clever, and implacably deadly behaviors associated with the infamous Countess deWinter of literature.

But you are right, a clockwork 'Milady' would not seek to outwit Kane, or have her own agenda against him (agendas on her own, quite possibly, but not against Kane). Also, she couldn't employ the range of the literary Milady's deviousness, as we would recognize her as a clockwork. So, for example, she couldn't fatally poison us like poor Constance, pretending to be her best friend. Unless, perhaps, she was in disguise...

Virtuous Anne Radcliffe

Anne Radcliffe on Jun 15, 2013 wrote:

I apologize for the confusion... I was making a compliment (albeit a back-handed one!) to Milady, Countess deWinter, (of _The Three Musketeers_) one of the few violent female villains in classic literature, and one of the best literary villains overall. I was playfully suggesting that a clockwork Milady would be truly frightening, as it would imply the sneakiest, treacherous, dangerously clever, and implacably deadly behaviors associated with the infamous Countess deWinter of literature.

But you are right, a clockwork 'Milady' would not seek to outwit Kane, or have her own agenda against him (agendas on her own, quite possibly, but not against Kane). Also, she couldn't employ the range of the literary Milady's deviousness, as we would recognize her as a clockwork. So, for example, she couldn't fatally poison us like poor Constance, pretending to be her best friend. Unless, perhaps, she was in disguise...

Virtuous Anne Radcliffe

ooh Clockworks in Disguise eh?

Red Scarlet

Lily Evans on Jun 26, 2013 wrote:

I wonder if Kane isn't really the leader of the Armada, and the Valencian who invented the Armada in the first place is still controlling Kane and trying to achieve spiral domination. Maybe you have to face him after you defeat Kane. I don't know if this really fits into Kane's Court discussions, but if it does, you will see it.
-The Black Rose Witch

Good theory except I don't think the inventor would be the leader perhaps an armada elite like the female...

DS Devereaux on Jun 28, 2013 wrote:

I was thinking otherwise, actually. The creator of the Armada designed the clockworks to defend Valencia. As they got out of hand, the will of the creator would have been thwarted. This leads me to think about the mysterious toymaker, the creator of the Valencian clockwork birds. What part do they have in our pirate's story?

Viva!

D.S. Devereaux

I've been thinking along the same lines as miss Devereaux, that the mysteriouse Toymaker is Kane's inventor. The Bishop reveals that the Armada Elites are really concerned with the Toymaker's clockwork birds and with the Toymaker in particular. The best reason I can think of to explain why the Armada is so concerned with the Toymaker is because the Toymaker invented Kane and the Armada and is therefore the only person in the Spiral that knows all of Kane's and the Armada' weaknesses.

On the living beings:

What I was thinking was perhaps a source of magical (or undead) energy would be able to thwart Kane and the Armada, past skills of a witchdoctor's prowess. It also would explain why we don't see so many wizards around here. Perhaps our parents, having talked with us in a past dungeon, would know a thing or two more about defeating Kane than our pirates could ever learn.

On the creator:

A friend and I were talking about this last night. We were between traces of evidence supporting the Toymaker, G, and a little bit of Captain Avery on my end. They all keep themselves safe and out of the way while making our pirates do the actual work. However, having such a minor character as G wouldn't make much sense if he had the big reveal.
However, I began doing some research. I stumbled upon an article centering upon Leonardo Da Vinci, the Italian mastermind whose mechanical inventiveness was years ahead of his time. It would make sense to see a sort of Da Vinci in the game, wouldn't it? (Leonardo Da Finchi to go with Marco Pollo?) Also, mentioning of Alessandro Cagliostro has come up every so often. What part does he play?

Viva los Piratas!

D.S. Devereaux

CdeWinter on Jun 28, 2013 wrote:

I've been thinking along the same lines as miss Devereaux, that the mysteriouse Toymaker is Kane's inventor. The Bishop reveals that the Armada Elites are really concerned with the Toymaker's clockwork birds and with the Toymaker in particular. The best reason I can think of to explain why the Armada is so concerned with the Toymaker is because the Toymaker invented Kane and the Armada and is therefore the only person in the Spiral that knows all of Kane's and the Armada' weaknesses.

Yes, Mademoiselle Scarlet, I would agree with you, as such an idea certainly seems to best fit all available evidence. The mention of a person named Cagliostro is an intriguing hint. Historically, Cagliostro was the pseudonym of a rascally con-man (which I hope is not the case in the game, as then he would be decidedly untrustworthy!), but taken at face value, if I remember rightly, the historic Cagliostro writes about alchemy and the bettering of humanity (Rosicrucian stuff). So yes, if this bears out, there is certainly more than physics and mechanics in the making of Kane (and Kane's court). But, we'll find out!

Virtuous Anne Radcliffe

Does anyone else find it weird that these "hollow men," not being truly living, have noted genders? I mean, who's to say that this "Queen" is not male and the rest are female? 'Cause there really is nothing that truly makes sense in this crazy, mixed-up world. Except math. Math is baws.

Quentin Atherton on Jun 8, 2013 wrote:

Quentin: Indeed, lets get back on topic
Bernard: Ok, as we all know, Kane's court is based off of chess rankings.
Valona: Lets not forget about Kane, after all, we keep underestimating that clockwork version of Hitler.
Quentin: True, his hate campaign against the pirates does ring a 'Nazi Bell'
All: LOL
Griffin: Then there is that clockwork mistress, I think a good scary name for her would be Duchess, but I think Queen is much more formal.
Alexander: Let's not forget on how she fights. She could be programed with ninja skills for all we know.
Noah: Indeed, and how she can fight in those corsets, I think she will be a marvelous acrobat in that dress. After all, we can't let our guard down around that clockwork mistress.
Quentin: True, then there is Kane, he is probably wearing armor under that military coat.
Valona: He might even be part Battle Angel, and probably the only male Battle Angel in the Armada.

O_O Those battle angels are female? O_O
They always reminded me of this picture my dad gave me of Ares, the god of war -- in the picture, he is wearing heavy duty armor and carrying a rather large sword. The background is an abandoned battlefield. However what really makes the picture intriguing is Ares' white angel wings. Of course in the mythologies he doesn't usually have wings, but it truly makes him a battle angel, revealing the conflict it is on being a man of war, how one minute you slaughter everybody you meet and the other you are a true angel, fighting for your country.
So... O_O those battle angels are female?

Just Add Bacon on Jul 20, 2013 wrote:

O_O Those battle angels are female? O_O
They always reminded me of this picture my dad gave me of Ares, the god of war -- in the picture, he is wearing heavy duty armor and carrying a rather large sword. The background is an abandoned battlefield. However what really makes the picture intriguing is Ares' white angel wings. Of course in the mythologies he doesn't usually have wings, but it truly makes him a battle angel, revealing the conflict it is on being a man of war, how one minute you slaughter everybody you meet and the other you are a true angel, fighting for your country.
So... O_O those battle angels are female?

I don't think they are female. Who says robots have genders? As far as we know, they are male.

Ethan the baron on Jul 22, 2013 wrote:

Umm no they are females it was told they were females when we were introduced to the battle angels and blind mew or any of the developers can tell you if you don't believe me that they really are female

I am fairly sure that there are distinctive features depicting genders, none of which I think robots have.

truesaviorofthespi... on Aug 2, 2013 wrote:

I think Kane looks like Hitler and i thought

Marelybone (England)

Mooshu (Japan or China)

Monquesta (Span)

Polaris (France or Russian)

Valencia (Dutch or Italia)

Now that I look at things, each world seems to reflect a major leap in nautical history. Take Cool Ranch, the only one not mentioned on your list. When the Wild West was settled, many sailed to and from Asian regions in order to move into an profit from the newfound land. Aquila, too - Greco-Roman triremes ruled the Agean and Mediterranean seas in their day.