That was well said, I've seen too many people asking someone to "fix" the moo robe, this statement completely shows how ridiculous some people are being!

I think the hide purge magic combo is unbeatable

I'm rank hero right now as a buccaneer and I can say I've beaten several people with black fog and/or terracotta warriors. What you need to understand is that OP doesn't mean impossible. In my experience it is shown when almost all the higher level players use a single item. It's also based on logic. Let me explain:

I hold to the idea that the best abilities in the game should be class specific, that way classes are encouraged to use their unique talents and powers. Black fog falls in this category. It's a swashbuckler specific ability that plays to the high damage output philosophy of swashbucklers. Same goes for reckless frenzy, tempest of torpedoes, etc.

On the other hand, the terracotta troop is an ability that every class can get, and every class is certainly using it! The fact that the warriors can reduce the entire opposing team's accuracy in half makes it have a buccaneer class feel. Same goes for their shields. Because it's also a summon, it fits in a witchdoctor deck. Privateers can even use it with battle zeal.

However, swashbucklers and musketeers are using this as well. The troop doesn't fit into the philosophy of those classes at all! Why do they use the robe then? My theory is that it's overpowered. Think about this for a second: If the majority of witchdoctors started abandoning their staffy weapons for a slashy/smashy one just so they could use vicious charges, wouldn't that be an indication that something is wrong? The same thing applies here. Swashbucklers are gladly trading an assassin's strike and either poison or walk in darkness for this power. The high level players that don't use the robe probably just don't have it.

Please don't label me as a senseless poor sport that likes to complain all the time, or one who wants an "easy win." I am asking you to see through the emotion and drama and look at the facts. The moo robe reduces accuracy more effectively than an entire team of buccaneers. Something is wrong, dare I say OP.

bluba4 on Aug 22, 2015 wrote:

I'm rank hero right now as a buccaneer and I can say I've beaten several people with black fog and/or terracotta warriors. What you need to understand is that OP doesn't mean impossible. In my experience it is shown when almost all the higher level players use a single item. It's also based on logic. Let me explain:

I hold to the idea that the best abilities in the game should be class specific, that way classes are encouraged to use their unique talents and powers. Black fog falls in this category. It's a swashbuckler specific ability that plays to the high damage output philosophy of swashbucklers. Same goes for reckless frenzy, tempest of torpedoes, etc.

On the other hand, the terracotta troop is an ability that every class can get, and every class is certainly using it! The fact that the warriors can reduce the entire opposing team's accuracy in half makes it have a buccaneer class feel. Same goes for their shields. Because it's also a summon, it fits in a witchdoctor deck. Privateers can even use it with battle zeal.

However, swashbucklers and musketeers are using this as well. The troop doesn't fit into the philosophy of those classes at all! Why do they use the robe then? My theory is that it's overpowered. Think about this for a second: If the majority of witchdoctors started abandoning their staffy weapons for a slashy/smashy one just so they could use vicious charges, wouldn't that be an indication that something is wrong? The same thing applies here. Swashbucklers are gladly trading an assassin's strike and either poison or walk in darkness for this power. The high level players that don't use the robe probably just don't have it.

Please don't label me as a senseless poor sport that likes to complain all the time, or one who wants an "easy win." I am asking you to see through the emotion and drama and look at the facts. The moo robe reduces accuracy more effectively than an entire team of buccaneers. Something is wrong, dare I say OP.

I agree with your post. In the tower of moo all the non auction gear only has your class' powers (with a few exceptions), so the moo robe being avaliable for every class doesn't fit in.
But, my post was directed to people who said it was impossible to beat. I didn't say OP means impossible, though.

anecorbie on Aug 23, 2015 wrote:

1. Use anything that will hit and damage the Cotta before they get close to you and use their charge Musketeers have the best chance in this, you don't have to use bombs - just use your shooting powers. Privateers - its best to hit them with the Big Guns, etc. Witchdoctors can Mojo Storm. Everyone else has Gunnery at least ( this is what I used, as well as Hurl Knives ). Once you have wounded them badly they will start to explode and begin a chain reaction taking themselves out.
2. use companions with HL3 and let them take the brunt of the attack ( I had great success with Ratbeard doing this ).
3. if the one using the robe is a buckler, they will fog, be prepared for this by shielding, or hiding yourself.
4. accept the fact that you may lose one or two companions.
5. when the buckler comes out of hide, hit them with everything you have. Not all of them have Purge, so you have a good chance.
I repeat, I have beaten a swashbuckler using the Moo Robes - it can be done.

Look, I've beaten a buckler with the robe as well. At lower levels, they think black fog and moo robe gives them an automatic victory, but it doesn't. I'm talking about top level players here.

I initially didn't mind the robe, but once I got past rank veteran things changed. The buckler is smart enough to train tough on their buckler companions, they have good pet grants, and many of them don't use black fog first turn. I started to realize just how much of a game changer the robe is.

I had a match today where I killed all three of my opponent's companions while only losing one. My character and my two companions were all over half health but my opponent was around half health.

Guess what? He won. How? He went hidden, summoned moo minions, purged shields, put armor on himself, then mojo storm plus mojo reaver plus I can't hit anything equals gg.

I did everything I could. My two remaining companions had second chance and turn the tide two. I used dispel magic to get rid of debuffs and moo minions charged everyone next turn again.

Tell me what to do when you're a hero level Buccaneer who doesn't have goro, nausica, or moo robe. I have gunnery but that won't destroy them. Moo minions have high strength so us buccs don't critical well for blade storm. We don't come with ANY AoE. All of our talents and powers rely on two things: strength and accuracy. When facing nine high strength minions that cut your accuracy in half, reckless frenzy is out the door, as is relentless.

If the ai fixes aren't working, ki needs to consider lowering moo troop to five minions instead of nine.

Let me know when you become a champion without being a swashbuckler, without crowns gear or companions, and without a moo robe.

bluba4 on Aug 24, 2015 wrote:

Look, I've beaten a buckler with the robe as well. At lower levels, they think black fog and moo robe gives them an automatic victory, but it doesn't. I'm talking about top level players here.

I initially didn't mind the robe, but once I got past rank veteran things changed. The buckler is smart enough to train tough on their buckler companions, they have good pet grants, and many of them don't use black fog first turn. I started to realize just how much of a game changer the robe is.

I had a match today where I killed all three of my opponent's companions while only losing one. My character and my two companions were all over half health but my opponent was around half health.

Guess what? He won. How? He went hidden, summoned moo minions, purged shields, put armor on himself, then mojo storm plus mojo reaver plus I can't hit anything equals gg.

I did everything I could. My two remaining companions had second chance and turn the tide two. I used dispel magic to get rid of debuffs and moo minions charged everyone next turn again.

Tell me what to do when you're a hero level Buccaneer who doesn't have goro, nausica, or moo robe. I have gunnery but that won't destroy them. Moo minions have high strength so us buccs don't critical well for blade storm. We don't come with ANY AoE. All of our talents and powers rely on two things: strength and accuracy. When facing nine high strength minions that cut your accuracy in half, reckless frenzy is out the door, as is relentless.

If the ai fixes aren't working, ki needs to consider lowering moo troop to five minions instead of nine.

Let me know when you become a champion without being a swashbuckler, without crowns gear or companions, and without a moo robe.

Then you're losing to someone with superior gear ( for which they have farmed or used the SCC ) they also have a plan and know how to get the most out of their powers and gear; there is no shame in losing to someone with better gear and knowledge.
As you pointed out at the higher levels they know how to use their advantages. And they would have won without being a buckler.

bluba4 on Aug 24, 2015 wrote:

They weren't a buckler. That's the point. I'm trying to tell everyone that black fog is not overpowered. Swashbucklers are not overpowered. There are two things that are overpowered in the game:

1) Purge magic with hidden combo - Any class can use this, so again I am not complaining about bucklers. The reason why this is overpowered is shown in the fact that all classes are starting to use this. They give up two gear slots and take the time to farm bishop because this combo works exceptionally well against privateers and buccaneers who survive by shielding. The point of purge magic is that it's a two-edged sword; the one using it also loses all buffs. But when they still have three turns hidden to buff to their content, the downside to purge magic is lost.

2) Moo robe - 'nuff said, read my posts everywhere.

I'm tired of hearing the whole "farm more" argument. I do farm for my gear. My backpack is full of farmed items. I wouldn't use the moo robe even if I had it because I want to prove that it's possible to be a champion without it and without crowns companions like goro or nausica. It's one thing to tell me that I lost because I bought my stuff at the auction house. It's another thing when I have six vicious charges, four assassin's strikes, four valor's fortress, six revives, dispel, purge, etc. to choose from.

If you consider the moo robe to be "superior gear" on its own, doesn't that say something? If a single robe is better than all other items in all other circumstances, regardless of class and strategy, doesn't that make it overpowered?

And a final thought. There's no shame to losing a close match. but when you literally take out all their companions easily to create an obvious advantage for yourself an then lose that match? There's shame in that. I should have won, but I don't know what I could have done better.

I'm not telling you to "farm more", just that those who have farmed have a right to their gear. I, too, have the Moo Robes but I wish to win on my own merit ( and, yes, that includes Fog because it's part of my class powers ).
I also have the Sprocket Key but I'm not convinced that its necessary for me - I would give up some stat buffs and a super strike +3 on the off chance that an opponent will have it.
You're doing everything right and you're trying to over-come some bad stuff - that alone is a worthy goal.

bluba4 on Aug 24, 2015 wrote:

They weren't a buckler. That's the point. I'm trying to tell everyone that black fog is not overpowered. Swashbucklers are not overpowered. There are two things that are overpowered in the game:

1) Purge magic with hidden combo - Any class can use this, so again I am not complaining about bucklers. The reason why this is overpowered is shown in the fact that all classes are starting to use this. They give up two gear slots and take the time to farm bishop because this combo works exceptionally well against privateers and buccaneers who survive by shielding. The point of purge magic is that it's a two-edged sword; the one using it also loses all buffs. But when they still have three turns hidden to buff to their content, the downside to purge magic is lost.

2) Moo robe - 'nuff said, read my posts everywhere.

I'm tired of hearing the whole "farm more" argument. I do farm for my gear. My backpack is full of farmed items. I wouldn't use the moo robe even if I had it because I want to prove that it's possible to be a champion without it and without crowns companions like goro or nausica. It's one thing to tell me that I lost because I bought my stuff at the auction house. It's another thing when I have six vicious charges, four assassin's strikes, four valor's fortress, six revives, dispel, purge, etc. to choose from.

If you consider the moo robe to be "superior gear" on its own, doesn't that say something? If a single robe is better than all other items in all other circumstances, regardless of class and strategy, doesn't that make it overpowered?

And a final thought. There's no shame to losing a close match. but when you literally take out all their companions easily to create an obvious advantage for yourself an then lose that match? There's shame in that. I should have won, but I don't know what I could have done better.

1) Purge magic with hidden combo. The point of purge magic is that it's a two-edged sword; the one using it also loses all buffs. But when they still have three turns hidden to buff to their content, the downside to purge magic is lost.

Agreed!