I can disprove this in 2 words and an apostrophe. Mooshu's emperor. P101's emp is sleeping soundly when we show up, and when we (finally) leave. W101's emp is sleeping at the start and wakes up at the end. Also, pirate shows Malistare making the emperor fall into his deep sleep.
Really hoping I get Phule's mask soon,
Matthew

CdeWinter on Apr 7, 2016 wrote:

Yup, Pirate101 and Wizard101 take place at roughly the same time. Sometimes the pirates will arrive a world first, such as with Mooshu, and sometimes the wizards are a little bit ahead, such as with Gracie Conrad have returned from Celestia to help with the Marleybonian war effort.

While a wizard can simply walk through a doorway to instantly jump from one side of the Spiral to the other, we pirates have to take the long way 'round and sail across the Spiral.

Actually, Grace Conrad is in Celestia, the different one that has nothing to do with the Gracie Conrad we know in P101. I highly doubt they may be one and the same, 'cause they would have different middle names in them.

Plus, it would also be a major timeline error between the games, one that may need resolving. How would she be with the Spiral Geographic Society's Celestian Expedition & keep aiding her kind in winning the war against the Clockwork Armada?

Clearly, the Grace Conrad in W101's Celestia may need a name change, to make her more separate from P101's Gracie Conrad.

Trimond297 on Apr 7, 2016 wrote:

Actually, Grace Conrad is in Celestia, the different one that has nothing to do with the Gracie Conrad we know in P101. I highly doubt they may be one and the same, 'cause they would have different middle names in them.

Plus, it would also be a major timeline error between the games, one that may need resolving. How would she be with the Spiral Geographic Society's Celestian Expedition & keep aiding her kind in winning the war against the Clockwork Armada?

Clearly, the Grace Conrad in W101's Celestia may need a name change, to make her more separate from P101's Gracie Conrad.

Although Blind Mew had confirmed that the Grace Conrad in Celestia ( in one of his Blind Mew's Musings ) and our Gracie Conrad are one and the same, I agree with you that Grace and Gracie are obviously different Dogs of the same family.
It's not confusing if you think about it, many families often wish to honor a relative by using their name for a new born; in my own family, my father was named John after his father and his family called him "Jack". ( He also got a handful of grandsons with John as a middle name. )
So Grace and Gracie were named after an ancestor and to avoid confusion use alternative versions of the same name.
Plus, the Grace Conrad of Celestia has a completely different appearance than our Gracie ( I think ours is cuter, eh? )

I'm not sure about time placement but I can say that wizard city is in the spiral map so it's probably just a split timeline.

MistyDragon13 on Apr 8, 2016 wrote:

Mew did state that they're the same person (dog?) but the appearance thing really is confusing. I think there was some speculation to the point that she could have dyed her fur or something.

As for Wiz101's story taking place completely before Pirate's, that's not exactly true. W101's story takes you from Marleybone to MooShu, and opposite in P101; we go to MooShu while the Wizard is in Marleybone. I think our journey in Subata Skyway takes place at the same time as the beginning and middle stages of the Wizard's tasks in MooShu, because the emperor is still asleep when we leave. I'd have to play through Wizard101 Marleybone again to see if there are any references to a war brewing or starting, though I doubt it as it was released several years before our version. It's possible to take the increased criminal activity in W101 Marleybone as a sign of rising hostilities between factions/guilds in response to the tension between worlds (MB & VL). There's also the fact that the Wizard is responsible for jailing Meowiarty, and who appears in the Glass House? The sphinx himself, which certainly proves that the Wizard traveled through MB not too long before the Pirate did, and we'd have had to be in MooShu while they were there.

I think it'd be interesting to see an official timeline detailing things in a similar manner to the one that came out for the 25th anniversary of The Legend of Zelda. It wouldn't be super-detailed, but it would include approximate placement of the two games' major story points in relation to each other, plus the lore of the Spiral and perhaps each of the worlds set in the beginning as well.

Let me state some things here...

1. Since Malistaire attacked Newgate to spring Meowiarty to help him steal the Krokonomicon in his one chance to revive Sylvia, the criminals that were locked up escaped, & it took many dogs in their city to try and round them up again. However, since they don't want the same thing occurring again once Wizards took him down in Big Ben, they transported him to the Glass House Prison, where the more serious & experienced prison guards keep a sharp eye on them.

2. The consequences on MooShu's Emperor Yoshihito occurred shortly as Malistaire stole the Krokonomicon, as his battle with them ended in using his necromantic magic to strike his Mind, Body, & Spirit, thereby unleashing the long dormant evil creatures that represent essences about War, Plague, & Death, even the Jade Oni took the Emperor's sleeping body, while sleeping as all that went on, to cause chaos & destruction. That also spreads more evil beyond MooShu's Imperial Skyway, like the rampaging criminals & warlords that were terrorizing MooShu's Skyways since he was cursed with his magic, including the Skyways Pirates venture in & sort out.

Evil spreads to many corners in the Spiral, & even Wizards cannot tackle each one alone. Someone else has to take the other evil threats down while they're doing it in the same places they have to stop evil in.

Many events may intertwine to one another, yet they have origin points that lead to said events. Just know that certain events that are mentioned only take place in said games' place that occurs, & the others' events may have impacts to other corners in the Spiral beyond the Wizards & Pirates' perspectives & may or may not know it.

A grand timeline to keep track with the Spiral's events in both games & beyond would be nice to see. Maybe one day.

I compliment both of you, CDeWinter and Trimond, for trying to clear up the confusing "inconsistences" caught by players of both Wizard101 & Pirate101
On the subject of the ailing Emperor of MooShu; Players have to remember that although a heroic wizard has freed him from his curse, it takes a while for news to travel from the center of the empire to the outer provinces ( proof that we're far away from the Jade Palace can be seen in the sky itself - in W101 the sky is at noon, in P101 the sky in MooShu is at dawn. ).
Also, the Emperor may have to take time to rally his health, because you don't just bounce back from a curse like that in a mere hour!
So, when we reach Marleybone it is just after the wizard visits and defeats Meoiarty ( and he's transferred to the maximum security prison of the Glass House. ) The war with Marleybone hasn't yet made an impact on the center of government - beyond the Queen issuing 2 emergency decrees. This may still be seen as a minor skirmish in MB.
When we're in MooShu, we can assume that the Emperor has been cured, but news has not yet traveled to those parts where our pirate is "helping".
At the end of the Aquila storyline, we fine out that Sherlock Bones is "still dealing with the fall out of the Krokonomicon affair" and therefore isn't available to translate the code on the clockwork birds. Obviously, there are many reprecussions to this theft.
And players must take into consideration that W101's storyline is now 6 - 7 years old and is well established, trying to fit us in may be a bit jarring.

TucsonWizard on Apr 12, 2016 wrote:

Time is fluid in the Spiral. Using Zeke as an example... sail your ship to Cool Ranch and there's Zeke. Teleport back to Skull Island and - boom - there's Zeke. Log off P101, log on W101, go to Khrysalis... there's Zeke! Port back to Wizard City and, viola, Zeke again. Anywhere you can find Zeke you'll ALWAYS find Zeke. Rinse and repeat. Everything that has happened or will happen in Wizards either has happened or will happen in Pirates. And vice versa.
Or perhaps Zeke is the key to Time in the Spiral. As such it would make him the most powerful being in the Spiral and maybe after all this time ol' Zeke has been pullin' the wool over our eyes! I think he's quietly assembling an army of musician replicants to release upon an unsuspecting Spiral. Hordes of Beetles, Lounge Lizards, Dixie Chicks and - Bartleby save us - Vanilla Ices advancing across the Spiral like army ants devouring everything in their path...
Whoa, sorry, got carried away there...

I think that most of the differences between timings in Wizard101 and Pirate101 can be explained by the difference in travel methods, Spiral Doors vs Sky Ships.

However, I have long suspected that there is much much more to Zeke than anybody knows. I'm not quite sure just what Zeke is, but he is more than just a traveling prospector, that I'm sure of.

Pirate101 fan on Apr 13, 2016 wrote:

When you first go to bestia in pirate101 , the puppet show there says that an aquilan watched wizards train their pets and made the pet training better when he came back to bestia. Also a dog in cool ranch accidentally calls you a wizard, apologizes, and blames it on OLD habits. I'm just saying it wouldn't be too far off for wizard101 to be before pirate101 but of course there are always inconsistencies. Really this argument is like the one about where the Simpsons' Springfield is.

That was Aquilus, an ancient hero responsible for trapping the Minotaur. He was ages ago in Spiral time. P101 is running concurrently with W101, with a small difference in time. W101 is only slightly ahead.

Pirate101 fan on Apr 13, 2016 wrote:

When you first go to bestia in pirate101 , the puppet show there says that an aquilan watched wizards train their pets and made the pet training better when he came back to bestia. Also a dog in cool ranch accidentally calls you a wizard, apologizes, and blames it on OLD habits. I'm just saying it wouldn't be too far off for wizard101 to be before pirate101 but of course there are always inconsistencies. Really this argument is like the one about where the Simpsons' Springfield is.

FilmTheory MatPat's branch off of GameTheory, confirmed the location of The Simpsons

In my opinion there are inconsistencies because of Wizard being the older game but the intention is that Wizards storyline is first to ours