Ok, let's speak hypothetically now. Say the Wizards of Wizard101 lost against Morganthe and us Pirates were obliterated by the Armada. Kane and Morganthe's forces would expand across the Spiral. At some point, they would cross paths. I want to know from you guys, who would win? Would Morganthe's heartlessness and over self confidence triumph over Kane? Would Kane tactical forces and tireless pawns pummel Morganthe's Shadow Weavers to dust? Honestly, they're both tremendously powerful, but it would be interesting to see how they'd play out in front of one another.

Honestly, I root for Morganthe. Why? She single handedly caused the destruction of 2 Worlds (Celestia and Azteca), enslaved 1 world (Zafaria), and through another world into chaos (Avalon). She's just plain evil. She has no care on who she hurts. And with metal men who have no feelings, it's a free for all for her. Morganthe could be relentless with her spells and diminish Kane's forces. She could travel to Valencia and rip the whole world apart, including The Machine, and simply call it "collateral damage." Morganthe could have countless cheats at her figure times that would through Kane off his guard. Plus he's up against an army of Shadow Weavers and Goliaths. The Celestian's were barely stood a chance and they were very intellectual beings. Kane stands no chance. Now while Celestia summoned the Storm Titan and the comet over Azteca were just strokes of luck when you think about it, I'm confident Morganthe can rip Kane apart at the bolts and mutate his Clockwork soldiers to work for her.

On the other hand, Kane could easily outsmart Morganthe. Also Kane is built upon hand to hand combat, something Morganthe is extremely lacking in. Kane could analyze Morganthe's weakness and strike her where it hurts. Being light on his feet, he could dodge all of Morganthe's spells. And while Morganthe could (and will) play dirty, all her tricks are for naught as he can quickly dodge them or expect them coming. Then he can send his Clockwork forces to overpower Morganthe's Weavers and Goliaths and turn her Empire into nothing. They are tireless, ruthless, heartless, and soulless after all. They would not hold back.

Who do you think would win in this fight? The dark, Umbra Queen, Morganthe or the Mysterious Clockwork Mastermind, Kane?

Ugh, Finnigan, mon ami, what a dark and gloomy topic! But I'll give it a go ... with the question as posed, I would say Kane would win. Both Kane and Morganthe are heartless and evil, both incredibly arrogant and powerful-- but Morganthe is cocky to boot, and I would venture to say careless as well. Should the two find themselves opposed to each other, Morganthe's magic would be seen as an incredible force -- and Kane would withdraw. Like Bishop, Kane is smart beyond arrogance to realize when a situation can not be won... not yet, anyway. Morganthe would prance around destructively, meeting little opposition, only increasing her certain knowledge of victory, while Kane figured out her weaknesses. Once Kane was ready, he would strike with all the favor on his side of the chessboard, as it were. Morganthe would rely on her usual powers and tricks, but would find them largely countered. Kane would be the victor... of a broken and destroyed Spiral, an ashen victory, but there you are.

However, the first premise of Kane offing our pirates and sailing off to El Dorado and getting the information he so very much wants, is countered by the serious problem of the Map. Should he kill us, he may not find our map pieces (I know Anne has hid hers, haha! And musketeer pirates probably have interesting traps around the pieces), and besides he can't get the one our pirate's mother hid, as even we do not know where it is. So world-destroying Power like that of Morganthe might be elusive indeed.

(Anne wakes up, shivering. "It was only a bad dream, only a dream," she tries to comfort herself. "And who is this Morganthe person anyway?")

Virtuous Anne Radcliffe

Obviously wizards are stronger than regular fighters but the armada has a much larger army than morganthes since the armada clockworks never stop being built so both have an advantage and disadvantage against each other but in the end morganthe would win because of her and her minion's extremely powerful magic she probably would have lost a big part of her army since the armada is massive but it all comes down to who has the most strength so morganthe wins that. It's just the truth the armada will never be able to match up to wizards the witchdoctors would do a mean swing since its a form of magic but considering the only witchdoctor we've seen so far is bishop wizards overpower the armada

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Cunning Finnigan S... on Jun 10, 2013 wrote:

Ok, let's speak hypothetically now. Say the Wizards of Wizard101 lost against Morganthe and us Pirates were obliterated by the Armada. Kane and Morganthe's forces would expand across the Spiral. At some point, they would cross paths. I want to know from you guys, who would win? Would Morganthe's heartlessness and over self confidence triumph over Kane? Would Kane tactical forces and tireless pawns pummel Morganthe's Shadow Weavers to dust? Honestly, they're both tremendously powerful, but it would be interesting to see how they'd play out in front of one another.

Honestly, I root for Morganthe. Why? She single handedly caused the destruction of 2 Worlds (Celestia and Azteca), enslaved 1 world (Zafaria), and through another world into chaos (Avalon). She's just plain evil. She has no care on who she hurts. And with metal men who have no feelings, it's a free for all for her. Morganthe could be relentless with her spells and diminish Kane's forces. She could travel to Valencia and rip the whole world apart, including The Machine, and simply call it "collateral damage." Morganthe could have countless cheats at her figure times that would through Kane off his guard. Plus he's up against an army of Shadow Weavers and Goliaths. The Celestian's were barely stood a chance and they were very intellectual beings. Kane stands no chance. Now while Celestia summoned the Storm Titan and the comet over Azteca were just strokes of luck when you think about it, I'm confident Morganthe can rip Kane apart at the bolts and mutate his Clockwork soldiers to work for her.

On the other hand, Kane could easily outsmart Morganthe. Also Kane is built upon hand to hand combat, something Morganthe is extremely lacking in. Kane could analyze Morganthe's weakness and strike her where it hurts. Being light on his feet, he could dodge all of Morganthe's spells. And while Morganthe could (and will) play dirty, all her tricks are for naught as he can quickly dodge them or expect them coming. Then he can send his Clockwork forces to overpower Morganthe's Weavers and Goliaths and turn her Empire into nothing. They are tireless, ruthless, heartless, and soulless after all. They would not hold back.

Who do you think would win in this fight? The dark, Umbra Queen, Morganthe or the Mysterious Clockwork Mastermind, Kane?

KANE, HANDS DOWN! Morganthe's flesh and blood shadow weavers are no match for the metal and oil Armada. Seeing is how Morganthe NEVER faced the clockworks before, she wouldn't know what to do, and she would perish.

Morganthe. No doubt. If Deacon and Rooke can be destroyed by a pirate, and Bishop defeated by pirates multiple times, I'm certain it would take a flick of Morganthe's wrist to take Kane and his clockworks out. She seriously almost completely destroyed Celestia, enslaved Zafaria, brought chaos to Avalon (dang it) and obliterated Azteca.

Kane doesn't really have a chance. Well, in my opinion.

I DONT WANNA DIE

Kane is really versed in close and personal combat, which is something to consider a major advantage because it seems like magic usually takes distance to be effective. If Kane has his pistol or saber drawn out and is, like, a yard away from Morganthe, one well placed slash, or one well aimed shot, would bring her down easily. Despite all the magical beef that Morganthe boasts, you still need to remember she is a mortal, or at least a human or some sort of creature that has a possibility of being killed.

But Kane on the other hand, is a robot. He's not a feeling or living thing and I'll reckon any sort of powerful magic like storm attacks would just make him stronger as robots love electricity. A close quarter attack like a shot or slash would just dent him or just annoy him since robots feel no pain at all. So if Morganthe is very far away from Kane, she'll blast him to rust with her magic. But if Kane is unholstering a weapon right in front of her, she doesn't stand much of a chance to really deflect anything.

But then again, Morganthe seemed to also be well versed in close quarter combat. Remember that Wizard101 commercial for Zafaria where a lion or some other sort of Zarfarian animal charges into the throne room where Morganthe was residing in? There was that awesome Froggo Villa-style assassination pose, but it was only an attempt as Morganthe barely even raised her back off her seat and froze the lion in midair before shattering it. I have a feeling that she might be capable of doing the same thing to Kane if she's on guard.

Even though Morganthe destroyed 2 worlds, thrown a world into chaos, and enslaved a world, Kane's empire could easily over rival her's. For one they're smart and two Avery states this. Kane is faster, smarter, and stronger than any human being. Morganthe= Human. Kane would win cause she is human and Kane is robot. Not even Wolly's could stop it because he would duck and dodge them. Bishop and Phule know's his magic so he could combat Morganthe and Rooke could use his big axe to kill her. She's not experienced with hand to hand combat. But Morganthe has her Shadow Weavers so they could stop him but they could shoot the spiders so no biggie. Kane would ultimately win which means Pirate101 is better because Kane is smarter than Morganthe! :D Here goes the scenario
Valencia
Kane: We've taken control of almost every world except Darkmoore.
General Rooke: I'll send your troops to the Destroyer.
Kane: Okay General Rooke.
Bishop: Well we'll protect you.
Kane: Then it's settled!
Spymaster Deacon: Kane?
Kane: Yes Deacon?
Spymaster Deacon: I spied a force in the spiral that could overwhelm us. It's history repeating it's self!
Kane: It better not be the Pirate's children.
Spymaster Deacon: The Pirates may be making a comeback but I doubt it because they're our slaves.
Kane: To DARKMOORE!
Darkmoore
Morgante: Hmm ... In all the time after I killed that wizard; I'm bored. Well I want to do something. Bring back the Pirates and the Wizards!
Jacob Freeman: Where am I?
Morganthe: You're on Darkmoore my fellow Pirate.
Jacob Freeman: Okay. Brother!
Joshua Wildhammer: It's good to be back!
Morganthe: Well I was bored and I was gonna die of boredom so I had to do something!
Joshua Wildhammer: Okay.
On the Destroyer
Spymaster Deacon: I spy Darkmoore!
Kane: I feel a great disturbance in the YARGH force.
Bishop: Well it's coming from Darkmoore.
Kane: Okay Bishop. I bet your ready to mow them down or what it is Rooke.
General Rooke: Yep!
Kane: Land ho! Get off everyone!
To be continued

ahoy

i think the armada will win cause they are almost infinite they will never end and imagine kane we have never seen his power in the to chapters maybe eather in the third so...

I'm saying Morganthe. Remember that wizards withstand truly devastating hits and at work are just staggered. A simple sword slash will not take down Morganthe, even one in the hands of one as powerful as Kane.

For those unaware, Morganthe destroyed Aztec by redirecting a comet! She wouldn't even need to ever enter the same room as Kane to destroy him since thanks to Celestian magic the heavens obey her commands and she even need one as large as Xibalba to destroy The Machine. As for her being "unskilled in hand to hand combat," she doesn't need to be. As was pointed out by Sparkarm, being able to freeze your opponent in place makes

And that's not including the fact that she now has the power of the Song of Creation, AKA the magic that created the Titans! Only if Kane get his hands completely on the powers of El Dorado will he be able to compete with that level of power.

Sniper Rose on Jun 13, 2013 wrote:

Even though Morganthe destroyed 2 worlds, thrown a world into chaos, and enslaved a world, Kane's empire could easily over rival her's. For one they're smart and two Avery states this. Kane is faster, smarter, and stronger than any human being. Morganthe= Human. Kane would win cause she is human and Kane is robot. Not even Wolly's could stop it because he would duck and dodge them. Bishop and Phule know's his magic so he could combat Morganthe and Rooke could use his big axe to kill her. She's not experienced with hand to hand combat. But Morganthe has her Shadow Weavers so they could stop him but they could shoot the spiders so no biggie. Kane would ultimately win which means Pirate101 is better because Kane is smarter than Morganthe! :D Here goes the scenario
Valencia
Kane: We've taken control of almost every world except Darkmoore.
General Rooke: I'll send your troops to the Destroyer.
Kane: Okay General Rooke.
Bishop: Well we'll protect you.
Kane: Then it's settled!
Spymaster Deacon: Kane?
Kane: Yes Deacon?
Spymaster Deacon: I spied a force in the spiral that could overwhelm us. It's history repeating it's self!
Kane: It better not be the Pirate's children.
Spymaster Deacon: The Pirates may be making a comeback but I doubt it because they're our slaves.
Kane: To DARKMOORE!
Darkmoore
Morgante: Hmm ... In all the time after I killed that wizard; I'm bored. Well I want to do something. Bring back the Pirates and the Wizards!
Jacob Freeman: Where am I?
Morganthe: You're on Darkmoore my fellow Pirate.
Jacob Freeman: Okay. Brother!
Joshua Wildhammer: It's good to be back!
Morganthe: Well I was bored and I was gonna die of boredom so I had to do something!
Joshua Wildhammer: Okay.
On the Destroyer
Spymaster Deacon: I spy Darkmoore!
Kane: I feel a great disturbance in the YARGH force.
Bishop: Well it's coming from Darkmoore.
Kane: Okay Bishop. I bet your ready to mow them down or what it is Rooke.
General Rooke: Yep!
Kane: Land ho! Get off everyone!
To be continued

Who says Kane is smarter than Morganthe. She's thousands of years old and a very experienced wizard. What it took Kane's huge army many years to do, Morganthe has done in a matter of months, alone.

You also forget that non-wizards use ship horns to call the creatures that our wizards call with a little twirl of a wand. Wizards also a lot more durable than you think they are. We've been hit thousands of times by helephants, Frost Giants, Storm Lords, etc. and survived. Hit the Armada with those and they're done.

kane: die morganthe!
Moganthe: Please..*casts mammoth*

be serious

Is Kane's court participating in the fight? And including a rebuilt Deacon? If so, Kane would stand quite a chance, considering Bishop's Witch Hunter and Retribution, hitting her twice every time she randomly casts mammoth.