Since Phule and queen are alive... what if they remake all the armada elites again? maybe in different forms? After all Kane did say they can be "replaced". Would be cool if you ask me.

Amber hawksong on Jul 29, 2017 wrote:

I doubt Phule would but it would be very possible with Queen. I personally hope to see Bishop again, I was sad that our Pirate killed him in Valencia II

Do we know for sure that he's destroyed? Sure, we see a body on the chessboard from the cut-scene, but was Bishop truly present at the final battle? Or possibly did he send in a "replacement"?

I believe the whole ending of the Armada story early (condensing from 20 Books to 15), was to finish out this story. I don't believe KI will simply bring back the Armada as the main enemy going forward. Especially seeing that Blind Mew was adamant in not giving the players Armada companions while they were still the antagonists (but we have them as companions now).

If there are more books to the story in the works, I suspect they will introduce us to a new enemy and Queen/Phule will play a secondary role.

But who knows, they brought back Malistaire in Wizard101 three times. Maybe bringing back the Armada a third time is the charm???

Oran from Urz on Jul 31, 2017 wrote:

I believe the whole ending of the Armada story early (condensing from 20 Books to 15), was to finish out this story. I don't believe KI will simply bring back the Armada as the main enemy going forward. Especially seeing that Blind Mew was adamant in not giving the players Armada companions while they were still the antagonists (but we have them as companions now).

If there are more books to the story in the works, I suspect they will introduce us to a new enemy and Queen/Phule will play a secondary role.

But who knows, they brought back Malistaire in Wizard101 three times. Maybe bringing back the Armada a third time is the charm???

We are in no way finished with the Armada as a threat to the Spiral. Malistaire isn't even comparable to this. We didn't get rid of the Armada, just their Supreme Commander - and you can bet that we will be seeing him again in a different incarnation.
I'm betting Queen ( possibly Bishop ) & Phule will be driving the second arc, but there's plenty of room for more threats to our pirate.
It's unfortunate that KI buckled to the demand of a few players to get Armada companions ( no, Ms. Rubin, not "everyone" was asking for them ) so now a level 2 pirate can get a Dragoon, which sort of destroys their threat to the player.

CdeWinter on Aug 2, 2017 wrote:

Well, using logic, and Occham's Razor. It is more plausible that Bishop is truly destroyed.
Kane knew we were coming for him, to the point that he had laid a trap not only for us but for Gaspatchio as well.
He thought he was invincible, he thought he would easily win.
Kane had rebuilt Deacon and Rooke because he had to, we had already destroyed them. He even said that it was expensive to rebuild them.

So, why build a second Bishop? The original was still around and perfectly fine, much simpler to include the original Bishop rather build a brand new one. I expect that the Bishop we fought alongside Kane was the original.

As for Bishop building his own replacement, I believe that is also unlikely. Yes, Bishop was a genius and a tinker, but I'm fairly certain that only Kane had the ability to build an elite, and I doubt he would willingly pass that on to any of his creations. It would weaken him in a way.

I expect that all of the elites except for Queen (I still consider that a lazy and uninspired name choice) and Phule have been destroyed at this point.

Bishop has at least the skill to build a "replacement"; remember he was the one to design the Dragoons & possibly the Battle Angels . ( As stated in his Rogues Gallery. ) Nor was it necessary for him to instill a intellect for his replacement. I found it very suspicious that he didn't speak to us at all. Not even a sneering "It's not going to end as it did the last time, pirate!"
I think you and I are the only ones disappointed in Queen's name.

gorgongirl on Aug 5, 2017 wrote:

I hope they aren't done with the Armada because I absolutely adore them. Their designs are so well done, especially the elites' and the battle angels'. With the cliffhanger Kingsisle left us on with Queen, I hope they're setting up for something more than just Queen and possibly Phule coming back as minor villains.

Since Kane's court was inspired by chess pieces, I was thinking it'd be cool if they'd base Queen's rebuilt inner court off playing or Tarot cards. Seeing as Phule was the odd one out of Kane's court as he didn't have a chess piece counterpart, and thus didn't show up in the final battle, I feel like Kingsisle was sort of setting up for something there. It'd certainly explain Phule's madness, as the Joker has no "suit" in playing cards and the Fool in Tarot is often not considered a part of the plain suit or trump cards thus is completely independent of the two. Not exactly how they'd incorporate the card game theme into the final battle, if they do at all, but it'd be cool to see!

Welcome to the Message Boards, gorgongirl!
Actually there's a version of chess called "Jester's Chess" ( played on a 10 x 10 square board ) with an extra piece on the board - the Jester. He is a sort of "wild card" as he has no specific move; he just imitates the move of the last piece played.
However I really like your idea of a Queen's Court based on the Tarot deck ( I assume you mean to use the Major Arcana? )

anecorbie on Aug 2, 2017 wrote:

Bishop has at least the skill to build a "replacement"; remember he was the one to design the Dragoons & possibly the Battle Angels . ( As stated in his Rogues Gallery. ) Nor was it necessary for him to instill a intellect for his replacement. I found it very suspicious that he didn't speak to us at all. Not even a sneering "It's not going to end as it did the last time, pirate!"
I think you and I are the only ones disappointed in Queen's name.

I agree that Queen was a lazy choice, but what kind of threat would she have been in they called her "Jennifer"? Since the others were essentially named for chess pieces to keep the pattern they were rather stuck with Queen. I suppose they could have gone for queen in another language. That would have given us Regina, Reyna, Kiralyno, Vasilissa, Konigin, Reine, Kraljica....

Fiorenza Rosanante... on Aug 9, 2017 wrote:

I agree that Queen was a lazy choice, but what kind of threat would she have been in they called her "Jennifer"? Since the others were essentially named for chess pieces to keep the pattern they were rather stuck with Queen. I suppose they could have gone for queen in another language. That would have given us Regina, Reyna, Kiralyno, Vasilissa, Konigin, Reine, Kraljica....

That would have been infinitely better than "Queen" ( yawn ), that name doesn't summon up a threat anymore than "Jennifer" would.

the minutemen on Aug 18, 2017 wrote:

I think it would be cool if Phule mentions that Queen is still alive and tells you she is rebuilding the armada elites. but she is not alone. there would be a new threat that she is working with and we'd have to sail to a new world (*looks over at Darkmoor*) to try and stop her only to find out her new help is too strong for us and we'd need to find others who also despise them to help us in our conquest. among the allies would be Polaris, Krokotopia, Grizzlehiem and maybe even Wizard City. and at the final ending when we go to confront this new threat with our new allies Phule would be like "hold on pirate. did you forget about me? I'm among your allies too you know." at that point he joins out crew and helps us in the final battle vs Queen and her allies.

if that happened, it would be really cool, but I think that KI is going to make a new antagonist. It might be some sort of secret clockwork elite but I think that queen will be minor and since phule dislikes her (and possibly her new ally as well) he will be our ally and with him, we go on a large adventure to gather pieces for an ultimate weapon (possibly originally bishop's design and phule found out from spying) that would defeat the queen and her new ally once and for all, but then the stormgate to el dorado shows up, and out of it appears a new rebuilt kane,(now known as the clockwork overlord) who uses his new abilities to throw us to skull island and create a huge fortress in el dorado itself and gives us the map, saying to come attack him, if we dare, and then after getting a royal butt whoopin, we embark on a journey to find the one material that the clockwork overlord is weak to, and then forge a weapon, (guns, sabre, axe, sword and shield, or a staff) out of the aforementioned material, and use it to defeat the clockwork overlord!

Rodrigo Robets on Aug 31, 2017 wrote:

And even if that DID happen, wouldn't phule be ripped apart due to one half being loyal to you, the other to queen

I think his dark half would rather die than ally with Kane and Queen again since Kane's new world had no room for Phule in it and therefore Phule betrays them and helps us.

Vulorian, you ask a good question. Soon after Kane's defeat, we realize that the Armada clockworks are not removed as a threat, just no longer under the rule of Kane. In our view of the rogue clockworks in Skull Island, the clockworks seem to be locked in the struggle that comes after a sudden power vacuum, with no discernible leader emerging (as we do not know about Queen). We could reasonably expect that present Armada strongholds will not just go away, though we have a fair chance of pitting one side against another if we can get information, weakening the power structure thereby and letting outside forces then have a chance for success. The strength of the rogue Armada also suggests that Armada soldiers are indeed still being built... if in the future we see the design measurably 'improved upon', our pirates should start to worry.

I would expect Phule to be mostly on the sidelines, watching, occasionally interfering on either side as it pleases him - a true trickster, like 'Coyote' or 'Raven', sometimes acting to good or ill - but probably not creating. He is the first creation of Kane, and being 'imperfect' probably does not have Kane's creative powers. I don't think Deacon or Rooke had such abilities either, and as for Bishop, he seems to only been able to make devices & war machines; improved soldiers, yes, but not Elite 'children.

Queen is another matter. (And yes, I confess I too was disappointed in her name, though perhaps an intentional device to show that Kane - Mr. I-am-too-perfect-for-the-Spiral - had strong limits in his imagination). She being the creation with which Kane was most pleased, the child that seems destined to displace her parent, I think it is likely she can create. Gorgongirl presents a most interesting idea of Queen's possible creations, and I suspect that should Queen make her own Elites, they may well be on a completely different 'template' than the vision Kane had.