chiliman05 on Apr 2, 2020 wrote:

I don't know why you're bringing up mojo storms, as I have never mentioned that once. But mojo storms is affected by armor, I don't know why you think it wouldn't be.

because... there's another stat that defends against magic? mojo storms was a basic example,

also uh, no? in nearly every obsidian fight, the boss is the hard part.

duck can one shot the entire team with a super
scratch can 2-4 turn your team if you don't have forts or absorbs
brass and his minions do 2-4k damage per hit
blood with repel 5 rip5 and blade 5 can essentially 1v1 any melee unit and get all his health back.

the bosses are the hard parts of their fights?

also, these are farming bosses, as in we want to be able to finish it as fast as we can for maximum value, in which cheese is highly effective.

Don't like Scratch? just don't use him. boom

caleb10104 on Apr 3, 2020 wrote:

because... there's another stat that defends against magic? mojo storms was a basic example,

also uh, no? in nearly every obsidian fight, the boss is the hard part.

duck can one shot the entire team with a super
scratch can 2-4 turn your team if you don't have forts or absorbs
brass and his minions do 2-4k damage per hit
blood with repel 5 rip5 and blade 5 can essentially 1v1 any melee unit and get all his health back.

the bosses are the hard parts of their fights?

also, these are farming bosses, as in we want to be able to finish it as fast as we can for maximum value, in which cheese is highly effective.

Don't like Scratch? just don't use him. boom

The problem of Scratch is that he's too powerful. And I highly doubt you can convince every single player to not use Scratch. Until that day, some sort of nerf should be established to him. It's bad to have cheese in a game, as it ruins difficulty. Pirate101 is made to be a semi difficult game. So you can't have one companion that just is incredibly powerful. Once again, I feel as though the Witchdoctor class needs a revamp of some degree.

I'm not saying a complete overhaul (nice to get if we could), but just some small tweaks should put them on equal playing level.

caleb10104 on Apr 3, 2020 wrote:

because... there's another stat that defends against magic? mojo storms was a basic example,

also uh, no? in nearly every obsidian fight, the boss is the hard part.

duck can one shot the entire team with a super
scratch can 2-4 turn your team if you don't have forts or absorbs
brass and his minions do 2-4k damage per hit
blood with repel 5 rip5 and blade 5 can essentially 1v1 any melee unit and get all his health back.

the bosses are the hard parts of their fights?

also, these are farming bosses, as in we want to be able to finish it as fast as we can for maximum value, in which cheese is highly effective.

Don't like Scratch? just don't use him. boom

While I do indeed agree that the bosses are difficult, I see you mentioning minions.

Once again, I stand on my opinion that boss fights would have their difficulty severely reduced without minions. This is not to say anyone could beat them then, but it would not require nearly as much planning and strategy as it does with the Obsidian Bosses now. But I'll leave that for another post, so we can get back to the topic at hand.

By the way, I know this is completely off topic, but when I was looking through old posts, I noticed that Ratbeard (The Developer), said the following quote. This was found in the post How KI jumped the gun with Old Scratch.

"Summons you cast yourself should be affected by Spell Power"

Can anyone confirm this? I have never tested. It would certainly make a summon spam deck much stronger.

For those that don't know, a summon spam deck is when a witchdoctor gets all of their companions in their party to be able to summon an ally. Then they equip themselves with several items also giving them summons (basically each individual piece of their attire and their weapon gives them a summon), then they fill their normal powers deck with all the summons they have. The result being 20 or 25 summons all quickly placed on a battle field.

My worry is that if this is affected by spell power, then using Mojo buffs from Scratch could make it that you summon super strong versions of normal summons, so now you have an army of 20 or 25 unstoppable allies.

Edit: Sorry the quote got messed up I fixed it

caleb10104 on Apr 3, 2020 wrote:

because... there's another stat that defends against magic? mojo storms was a basic example,

also uh, no? in nearly every obsidian fight, the boss is the hard part.

duck can one shot the entire team with a super
scratch can 2-4 turn your team if you don't have forts or absorbs
brass and his minions do 2-4k damage per hit
blood with repel 5 rip5 and blade 5 can essentially 1v1 any melee unit and get all his health back.

the bosses are the hard parts of their fights?

also, these are farming bosses, as in we want to be able to finish it as fast as we can for maximum value, in which cheese is highly effective.

Don't like Scratch? just don't use him. boom

While of course it is hard to block any cheese in a game, it's very important that KI maintains the difficulty of their Obsidian Boss fights, as they advertised them to us as the toughest fights, on that it will take determination and grit.

caleb10104 on Apr 7, 2020 wrote:

that argument works for brass since he and his minions deal 2-4k per hit, doesn't really work for the others.

where did item summons even come from? there's 3 good item summons, and one of them is currently retired (trees) and the other two are ultra rare drops from the tower of moo manchu (cottas and scorpions, and cottas got nerfed.) chorus, drake, musket summon and swash summon are weak. (imo scorpions aren't really good without banner, another situational drop from the beast pack.) summons can be cheese, but it's irrelevant and a waste of time to delve into that. In part because to use these weapons, you're giving up heavy artillery, (bloods coat in case of cottas) or a lot of range (4 range with scorp staff vs 7 range with phules wand is a huge difference.) but that's not the point here.

in the case of summons, some are boosted by spellpower, and the others will, the weak witchdoctor summons are boosted by spellpower, now i'm not sure on scorps or cottas or trees. (might be something worth testing later) though i'm not sure if "unstoppable" is the correct use when the majority of them already aren't worth using.

See the thing is though, spam summoners COMPLETELY base their decks and stats on summoning, so they will have the banner. Also the item from PVP that summons blossom cherries still exists, even though it is retired, so it does still count.

Summons are most definitely a waste of time without the proper character and supporting development. Unsupported, they will have very little health and damage. But for Witchdoctor's with high will, spellpower (a hunch supported by developer statement), and the proper gear and equipment, and companions to support their tactic (Old Scratch to give willpower, ranged people to do damage from behind the wall of summons) it is good.

Put it simply, we'll use PVP as an example. I've seen Witchdoctors in PVP destroy an enemy side because they have high will power and base their character off of having summons among other things, so now they summon very powerful allies. And one has to remember that they also have companions and themselves. Basically the strategy with spam summoning is to have the proper gear and stats to be able to summon very strong allies so they can act as guards that take the damage for you while chipping away at health, while your companions are also doing damage to them.

Also Caleb, according to Ratbeard's statement, he said that class summons (Drake, Chorus) are supported by Spellpower. This once again ties in to Scratch.

But I ask you, because of what this post has come to an agreement, how do you suggest KI revamps the Witchdoctor class? I'd like to know for use in a later post.

chiliman05 on Apr 8, 2020 wrote:

See the thing is though, spam summoners COMPLETELY base their decks and stats on summoning, so they will have the banner. Also the item from PVP that summons blossom cherries still exists, even though it is retired, so it does still count.

Summons are most definitely a waste of time without the proper character and supporting development. Unsupported, they will have very little health and damage. But for Witchdoctor's with high will, spellpower (a hunch supported by developer statement), and the proper gear and equipment, and companions to support their tactic (Old Scratch to give willpower, ranged people to do damage from behind the wall of summons) it is good.

Put it simply, we'll use PVP as an example. I've seen Witchdoctors in PVP destroy an enemy side because they have high will power and base their character off of having summons among other things, so now they summon very powerful allies. And one has to remember that they also have companions and themselves. Basically the strategy with spam summoning is to have the proper gear and stats to be able to summon very strong allies so they can act as guards that take the damage for you while chipping away at health, while your companions are also doing damage to them.

Also Caleb, according to Ratbeard's statement, he said that class summons (Drake, Chorus) are supported by Spellpower. This once again ties in to Scratch.

But I ask you, because of what this post has come to an agreement, how do you suggest KI revamps the Witchdoctor class? I'd like to know for use in a later post.

the class summons are awful even with scratch.
all but one are them are 1 unit summons and the other is a 1x5 summon with tide1 and veng1

those summons were never staple in a summoning kit, the stables were trees cottas and scorpions.

you can't even get trees anymore, they're retired, cottas were nerfed, and if i can remember correctly without banner scorpions aren't really that great.

witchdoctor is f-tier in pvp, a lucky win won't really change that, but in talks of revamping the witch class (which sadly will never see fruition due to lack of support of this game.)

- either straight up removal of witch hunter of a revert of what it was before, the buff to witch hunter completely killed witchdoctors in pvp, no other class has a way of cutting their attack power in half due to a single hit.
- base accuracy increased, dodge can stay the same but their base accuracy is so bad, that only 3 witchdoctor comps are useable in pve, 1 in pvp.
- giving mojo rising access to all witchdoctor comps, not just the troggy and necromancer.
- a promotable guaranteed critical hit for all witchdoctor comps.
- more powers per character
- an upgrade to widows touch, (i don't like that emmett got the widows touch buff)
- some sort of defensive capability, as of marlybone and on, the moment a buccaneer touches a witchdoctor, they're essentially dead.

if they were to buff them, i could see removing the 100% buff but keeping the other 2 in play, i dont think the 50 and 25% buff are too game breaking, or even see how 75% would do

chiliman05 on Apr 10, 2020 wrote:

Again, as I said, spam summoners base their entire deck and gear on summoning.

So they will have the banner. Also the tree still exists, it's not like they took it away from people who already had it. Anyone who had the trees at any point still has them. The cottas were nerfed though.

Well the problem is, much like musketeers, witchdoctors are mainly support. They can't fight off several people (usually). They are F-tier by themselves, but not with others.

I think your suggestions for revamping the witchdoctor class is good, I agree with all of the suggestions. Including the buff one, I think the buffs should stay to some degree, but not the 100% one.

summons just make a normal fight last longer in general, it's just more effective to bring 3 or 4 mojo storms assuming you dont have blood flames and just aoe spam the enemy to death (clearly this wont work in pvp but this isn't spar chamber) so i find summons to be irrelevant in farming events.