Ratbeard on Aug 21, 2015 wrote:

You have repeatedly stated that you simply refuse to use any of the tools at your disposal to make their win more difficult.

It's also easy for Buccaneers to get an easy win if the opponent doesn't do anything to keep you from charging across the board and epic-chaining them to death. Have you noticed that buccaneers are uniquely designed to get lots of chain talents and free, automatic boosts to keep them going?

Every class gets an easy win if they are allowed to make full use of their class advantages and the opponent does nothing to adjust their defense to mitigate them.

Now of course I know buccaneers can chain very well with epics I'm rank paragon in ranked pvp BUT we can't charge when someone uses black fog to make them hidden OR uses the moo manchu companions which will have hold the line creating a barrier between me and them

Masonpeev on Aug 21, 2015 wrote:

Now of course I know buccaneers can chain very well with epics I'm rank paragon in ranked pvp BUT we can't charge when someone uses black fog to make them hidden OR uses the moo manchu companions which will have hold the line creating a barrier between me and them

If you focus on what you can't do vs certain classes/powers, since the only key to winning ANY match is focusing and executing to the best of your ability what you can do.

PvP isn't a "strategy" competition. PvP is solely one's ability to adapt, react, and effectively punish their opponent's attempt to "gain higher ground" in the war of options.

If your opponent can only do one of two things if they want to "life to fight another day (few rounds)", you have done yourself justice if you have forced yourself into a position where you are able to "punish" either option they have, thus making your path to victory easier. It is like knowing you will fight class "W" and you can chose your best counter from class "X", "Y" or "Z". Odds have it that you will pick the class that "W" will have the most difficulty with.

I would say that is basically all there is to PvP, and wouldn't go back and add anything to that foundation.

If you have been able to make it to paragon, clearly something you've done HAS been effective so far. However, I would question your ability to continue up the mountain to champion if you, after knowing what your weaknesses are, are still struggling with them and what you for the most part would know to expect.

tenmaxz11 on Aug 21, 2015 wrote:

i know right, bucklers be like fog, CURSE, assassin, then hide again
bleeds till death with no HEALS, thanks to curse

Between the assassin's strike and the hide the swashbuckler is exposed to attack, it is therefore on you to take him/her down.

Wolf SkullRider on Aug 21, 2015 wrote:

If you focus on what you can't do vs certain classes/powers, since the only key to winning ANY match is focusing and executing to the best of your ability what you can do.

PvP isn't a "strategy" competition. PvP is solely one's ability to adapt, react, and effectively punish their opponent's attempt to "gain higher ground" in the war of options.

If your opponent can only do one of two things if they want to "life to fight another day (few rounds)", you have done yourself justice if you have forced yourself into a position where you are able to "punish" either option they have, thus making your path to victory easier. It is like knowing you will fight class "W" and you can chose your best counter from class "X", "Y" or "Z". Odds have it that you will pick the class that "W" will have the most difficulty with.

I would say that is basically all there is to PvP, and wouldn't go back and add anything to that foundation.

If you have been able to make it to paragon, clearly something you've done HAS been effective so far. However, I would question your ability to continue up the mountain to champion if you, after knowing what your weaknesses are, are still struggling with them and what you for the most part would know to expect.

Whetever i've done has been effective vs privateer witchdoctor and buccaneer, swashbuckler is like a 50/50 chance of winning

i mean like seriously what do you do when they go hide and just start buffing with no cost
i just stand there and watch, hide then heal, buff, then finally assassin me then go back to hide again.
i mean is that even pvp anymore? i'm just standing there, watching them do as they please

Masonpeev on Aug 24, 2015 wrote:

Totally, when they probably have a valor's fortress up and will just hide and heal the next round

No matter how good that fort is, it won't stand up to a complete assault from Peter, Barnabus and Kobe.

anecorbie on Aug 24, 2015 wrote:

No matter how good that fort is, it won't stand up to a complete assault from Peter, Barnabus and Kobe.

Anercobie, By the time its left to one person left my companions are all dead, and I can't charge you when you're in fog

Masonpeev on Aug 24, 2015 wrote:

Well all we can do is shield and heal

Shield and heal and raise barricades and move towards your scent pet and drop bombs or traps and hit them with AoEs and poison them and buff your stats to prevent chains and summon some cannon fodder and change formation and divide their forces and hide yourself and attack their companions and run away.

Masonpeev on Jul 18, 2015 wrote:

I have been facing some serious difficulties in this test realm as a buccaneer doing PvP. First of all, we now cannot shield stack which puts a huge huge hole in our defense, and on top of that we can't debuff stack either, which is also a key part of our strategy. This has come for me to say that buccaneer is extremely weak whereas swashbuckler has turned into a no brainer class, all they have to do is go into black fog, (which is still 2x for 5 round when it should be 1.5x for 5 rounds) then apply a curse onto you and your companions, and then all 4 people on the opposing side will just take down your captain, and then they can just easily destroy your companions. Some people may say that you can counter this by going into hidden yourself but if you do this then what the swashbuckler is going to do is kill off your companions, then its 1 vs 4, how is this fair? Not to mention this also destroys privateers because they also, again, shield stack so that they can defend themselves against swashbucklers, but now, there is absolutely no way of defense against this extremely overpowered class

i am a level 60 swashbuckler and i can barely beat level 55s computers alot of times i just stand there in the game or go fight and die do you think its that easy well its not sometimes i wish i was a buccaneer or anything else but a swashbuckler its not that easy you should try to be in a swashbuckler shoes and let me tell you its not easy are biggest threat to you are things like first strike and the thing like the attack if you miss a short way of saying it is WE DIE ALOT

bluba4 on Aug 24, 2015 wrote:

The fort isn't even the problem. Swashbucklers usually have around 140 dodge on average. A top level player will also have elusive three. Then the moo robe minions cut your accuracy in half. Even if I save all my super hits from pete, barnabus, and kobe, that will not kill a swashbuckler, even without shields. Then after the initial hit, blade storm and relentless all miss and the swashbuckler hits me back with ripostes.

The other thing is, if I used pete, barnabus, and kobe, only one of them has first strike three. Most likely one of them will get killed when my opponent comes out of the fog. Which means only two companions are attacking the buckler, not three.

I'm not trying to imply that high dodge and riposte is overpowered. But claiming that killing a swashbuckler character in one turn is easy or can be consistently done is a myth that all the top players are proving wrong.

The best way I see to take down a buckler right now is to pack more shields than they have hidden powers and hope the poison alone doesn't kill you.

Turn the tide pirate you will combo the buckler np I can tell from your post you don't know a lot about pvp.

lol talk about heals
once they shroud you, you can't even "heal"
i mean like seriously, they just hide, shroud(curse), assassin, go back to hiding again, fort and then come back out to assassin you again and repeat this pattern till you loose.
no matter how much defense you put on, it won't matter. The only way to win in battles is for your HP to drop to zero and it's pretty much a guarantee it will thanks to shroud for Five whole turns without heals
so technically you are "standing" there, waiting to get bleed, and poison to death

Ratbeard on Aug 24, 2015 wrote:

Shield and heal and raise barricades and move towards your scent pet and drop bombs or traps and hit them with AoEs and poison them and buff your stats to prevent chains and summon some cannon fodder and change formation and divide their forces and hide yourself and attack their companions and run away.

Well If I was a Musketeer which I have one I'd do this But as for the "attack and run away" I don't really have the option of doing this if they get fog up first turn and then kill my companions first, and Its not like I can run away either since swashbucklers have the highest foot range in the game